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#16 Fanat

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Опубликовано 25 Ноябрь 2005 - 01:55

странно может деньги заморозили именно для рефко, (FXDD в своей рекламе намекали что бы клиенты рефко шли к ним, приводя разные факты в сторону своей надежности) так же писали на arkworld что несколько человек совершенно свободно(за 1 день) вывели свои средства из рефко к другим брокерам через них.
средства которые клиент передал в рефко(или др. брокеру) являются собственность клиента - совершенно незаконно запретить ему эти средства забрать. может конечно я чего то не понял х.з.


Refco подал на банкротство, изза этого был Мораториам на 15 дней, (юридические правила, защита для банкротства, я так думаю)... Далее много зависит от того как деньги находятся в банке, в одной куче или разбиты по клиентам.
Если все деньги клиентов в одном счету и тот счет прогорел, то хана трэйдерам.. Если счета каждого клиента идет отдельно, то это лучше.

Маленькие клиенты обычно всегда остаются последними... По крайней мере в Америке.

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Опубликовано 04 Декабрь 2005 - 01:27

насколько я знаю, брокеры находящиеся под контролем NFA обязаны хранить собственные средства отдельно от средств клиентов, да и ни одной жалобы на то что он не смог забрать деньги из Рефко не было
так что и надувательства нет....есть скандал :_)

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Опубликовано 15 Апрель 2006 - 12:36

Зравствуйте ! Можно ли Вас побеспокоить и спросить Вашего совета ? Дело в том ,что мне пришло письмо из Рефко LLc и из него не совсем ясно, как решен вопрос о банкротстве указанной организации. Текст письма прилагаю. Может у Вас появились какие нибудь дополнительные пояснения . Спасибо. Пока только знаю, что счетом я могу управлять, но снять средства нельзя, чем очень опечален . Надоело висеть в воздухе, как это надоело...кто бы знал...

UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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In re : Chapter 11
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REFCO INC., et al., : Case No. 05-60006 (RDD)
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: (Jointly Administered)
Debtors. :
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NOTICE OF COMMENCEMENT OF CHAPTER 11
BANKRUPTCY CASES AND MEETING OF CREDITORS

On October 17, 2005, the debtors and debtors-in-possession in the above-captioned cases (collectively, the "Debtors") filed voluntary petitions for relief under chapter 11 of title 11 of the United States Code, 11 U.S.C. §§ 101 - 1532 (the "Bankruptcy Code"). A list of the Debtors, and their respective addresses, case numbers and federal tax identification numbers is provided herein.

DATE, TIME AND LOCATION OF MEETING OF CREDITORS. April 18, 2006, at 10 a.m., prevailing Eastern Time, at the New York Marriot Marquis, 1535 Broadway, Marquis Ball Room, New York, New York 10036.

NAME, ADDRESS AND TELEPHONE NUMBER OF TRUSTEE. None appointed to date; however, the Court has directed the United State Trustee to appoint a chapter 11 trustee in the case of Refco Capital Markets, Ltd. To date, no such chapter 11 trustee has been appointed.

COUNSEL FOR THE DEBTORS.
Sally McDonald Henry
Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP
4 Times Square
New York, New York 10036

COMMENCEMENT OF CASES. Petitions for relief under chapter 11 of the Bankruptcy Code have been filed in this Court by the Debtors, and orders for relief have been entered. You will not receive notice of all documents filed in these cases. All documents filed with the Court, including lists of the Debtors' property and debts, will be available for inspection at the Office of the Clerk of the Bankruptcy Court. In addition, such documents may be available online free of charge at http://www.refcodocket.com or, for a fee, on the Court's website, http://www.nysb.uscourts.gov, and can be viewed with a PACER password (to obtain a PACER password, go to the PACER website, http://pacer.psc.uscourts.gov).

PURPOSE OF CHAPTER 11 FILING. Chapter 11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code enables a debtor to reorganize pursuant to a plan. A plan is not effective unless approved by the Court at a confirmation hearing. Creditors will be given notice concerning any plan. The Debtors will remain in possession of their property and will continue to administer their estates unless a trustee is appointed.

CREDITORS MAY NOT TAKE CERTAIN ACTIONS. A creditor is anyone to whom a debtor owes money or property. Under the Bankruptcy Code, a debtor is granted certain protection against creditors. Common examples of prohibited actions by creditors are contacting a debtor to demand repayment, taking action against a debtor to collect money owed to creditors or to take property of a debtor, and starting or continuing foreclosure actions or repossessions. If unauthorized actions are taken by a creditor against a debtor, the Court may penalize that creditor. A creditor who is considering taking action against a debtor or the property of a debtor should review § 362 of the Bankruptcy Code and may wish to seek legal advice. The staff of the Clerk of the Bankruptcy Court are not permitted to give legal advice.

MEETING OF CREDITORS. The Debtors' representative, as specified in Rule 9001(5) of the Federal Rules of Bankruptcy Procedure (the "Bankruptcy Rules"), is required to appear at the meeting of creditors on the date and at the place set forth above for the purpose of being examined under oath. Attendance by creditors at the meeting is welcomed, but not required. At the meeting, the creditors may examine the Debtors and transact such other business as may properly come before the meeting. The meeting may be continued or adjourned from time to time by notice at the meeting, without further written notice to the creditors.

CLAIMS. Schedules of creditors have been filed pursuant to Bankruptcy Rule 1007. Any creditor holding a scheduled claim which is not listed as disputed, contingent, or unliquidated as to amount may, but is not required to, file a proof of claim in these cases. Creditors whose claims are not scheduled or whose claims are listed as disputed, contingent, or unliquidated as to amount and who desire to participate in the cases or share in any distribution must file their proofs of claim. A creditor who desires to rely on the schedule of creditors has the responsibility for determining that the claim is listed accurately. Separate notice of the deadlines to file proofs of claim and proof of claim forms will be provided to the Debtors' known creditors. Proof of claim forms are available in the clerk's office of any bankruptcy court. Proof of claim forms are also available at http://www.refcoclaimsdocket.com. Proof of claim forms may be filed at the following address:


By mail:
United States Bankruptcy Court, Southern District of New York
P.O. Box 5175
Bowling Green Station
New York, New York 10274 5043

By hand or overnight courier:
United States Bankruptcy Court, Southern District of New York
One Bowling Green
Room 534
New York, New York 10004-1408

DISCHARGE OF DEBTS. Confirmation of a chapter 11 plan may result in a discharge of debts, which may include all or part of your debt. See Bankruptcy Code § 1141(d). A discharge means that you may never try to collect the debt from the debtor, except as provided in the plan.

For the Court: Kathleen Farrell-Willoughby Dated: March 24, 2006
Clerk of Court
United States Bankruptcy Court for the
Southern District of New York


52-2169052

Refco Capital LLC


One World Financial
200 Liberty Street, Tower A
New York, New York 10281

#19 rufffen

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Опубликовано 16 Апрель 2006 - 01:40

DISCHARGE OF DEBTS. Confirmation of a chapter 11 plan may result in a discharge of debts, which may include all or part of your debt. See Bankruptcy Code § 1141(d). A discharge means that you may never try to collect the debt from the debtor, except as provided in the plan.

Это значит, что Вы можете вообще не получить свои деньги.

В остальное не вчитывался, в кратце там будут встречи проводится с представителями "потерпевшей" стороны с адвокатами.




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